Okay, so think about what they're trying to do. They're going to end up trying to produce force in an externally rotated position. So you're going to be moving most of these people into a, like you might have to go early, like for your narrows, you're gonna go early first, but ultimately you're trying to bring them back into a middle representation where they're gonna produce more force. And then you're trying to give them the relative motion to get into the most advantageous position to produce force, right? And so you're gonna be moving people towards middle representations as you start to align them into an internally rotated representation from proximal to distal. So this is side stuff, right? Like if you were in the lower extremity, like you mentioned like a split stance or a half kneeling representation, because that's an internally rotated representation, right?

The water goes out.

Yeah. So I feel like with narrows, I have seen people with less limited range of motion, but it looks like they've started to get pulled down on the right, which up until now, my interpretation was kind of like those two things would be directly correlated. And like the more limited your range of motion gets, the further you've gone along, the right side should get pulled down. Super limited, but it doesn't look like that right side's getting pulled down as hard as some people I've seen in the past. So I'm thinking there's some sort of mismatch in the way I'm thinking about that.

Just to improve those and ranges of shoulder function.

If you have them do it actively, you will not be able to tell where the greatest tension on the nerve is.

But understand that that's a sensation. So that sensation moves through the system and then it feeds back. So you're taking in the sensory input. And then that sensory input is processed and then that tunes the behavior, right? So the muscle says, oh, I don't need to be creating so much tension, the muscle starts to let go of the tension. The connected tissues start to behave appropriately relative to that degree of muscle tension. That's why this is a learning process. You're not increasing strength. You're not increasing flexibility by traditional definitions, but you will have a resultant that would produce more force and allow more motion to occur. Because again, it's a cycle. The system recognizes a sensory input and then behaves appropriately under the circumstances. So you're creating a context that allows the system to make a change.

Yeah.

Just hold it up again. OK. Now lower it down a little bit. Just a little. Like slide your phone down. I want to see your hips. There you go. She's a little pile on it, yeah? So you have a public circumference that's a little bit bigger than the thoracic circumference, right? So velocity favors a downward representation, does it not? Okay, awesome. Now, hold the picture up again. Look at her feet. Get it closer and lift it up a little bit. Awesome. Okay. Is she pushing into the ground?

Am I making space?

Yes, sir.

OK, you need to. You need to. Here's my point. Here's my point. When you've got an AP compression and you're trying to restore turns, one of the limiting factors in the desired outcome, which is the restoration of those turns, is the fact that you don't have a big enough gradient. Okay. So if you got something that's AP compressed, listen, if you got something that's AP compressed, you can create the cavitation at the joint level, but you might not get the change in muscle orientation that you need to create the joint movement. Okay. So here's what I would suggest. You do activities or manual therapies to create the expansive strategy first, then deliver your manual therapy. Now you've got a bigger gradient. So when you create, when you manipulate, you're creating an IR force. If you've got a position of the spine that's already IR'd, you might not have a big enough gradient to make the muscle change. Okay. Anytime, like if you do, you're Kyra, right? Okay. You do ART.

But again, you're looking at a lot of influences here in regards to just the position. The forces of the internal forces that are going to be influencing this. So you're correct, I think. But don't weight that as the only thing. You still have internal forces to manage. You still have physical structure that you have to manage. You still have foot positions that you have to manage, et cetera.

I think so because again, we're talking about a time dependent change, right? You ever work with like a 15 year old athlete and then a 35 year old athlete?

It's not a different type. It's just a different starting condition. Right, so if I started with it with a neutral state. So if this is the base of the sacrum, if I started there and I do that—I didn't move this representation, I just bent the other part under. Okay, so that's the end position there. Okay, if I started here and then I did that, it wouldn't look the same, right? But the muscle activity, because I'm trying to compress the same space, the muscle activity, the strategy would be the same. But because the starting conditions are different, the end appearance will look different. But if it's the same strategy, I have to take the same precaution against reinforcing it. So if I'm a wide and I have posterior lower compression, or I'm a narrow and I have posterior lower compression, it's highly likely I'm gonna try to do the same thing at the end.

No. What I did is I superimposed more external rotation on the entire leg. So let me back up. Varus, or I'm sorry, valgus. Got it? Valgus. Varus. Okay.

What do you mean by in life in general?

So I was thinking more like, right side lying and maybe first manual rolling. So she basically just breathes and nothing else. But because my session is like one hour, like what else could I do, you know, basically to fill up the time that that's my question.

There's not a joint. All joints move on a helical angle. Every single joint moves on a helical angle. If it moves on a helix, there is no straight plane.

OK. Yeah. OK, thanks. So one thing that I've been struggling to understand is the increase of ER at the shoulder. OK. Is that from my research this afternoon, just going through videos, I got a clue that it could have been the anterior compressive strategy pulling the sternum down.

If you could grab it and let it go, it would put the water balloon.

It was weird. I don't think it was synovial fluid.

What does it represent?

Right. And so is there a progression, like we've looked at valgus and varus knees, golfers elbow, tennis elbow, and stuff like that. Is there a progression that goes from there? Like do people start with lower back rounding and then work their way up? Or does that not exist? Is there not a progression toward lateral pelvic tilt where everyone ends up where you see a progression in terms of rounding?

OK.

OK. So ER is expansion. So if I'm looking at a knee, and it looks like that.

Yeah.

So for people who are very compressed anterior to posterior, they don't have any space. I can put them in their middle representation and offset their feet just enough to create a little bit of relative motion. Then I start moving them there and it becomes a bigger motion.

But then, because I'm using the compensatory strategy on the left side to help me create the right side shape.

I'll tell him he's allowed to play it on his PlayStation for four hours. Maybe. I'll tell his mom, like, let him play on his PlayStation.

No, that is correct. So when you see a magnification, your ERs match in your shoulder and your hip, which means you should know already before you even measure somebody. It's like I know that unless there's a constraint problem, like if you tore a labrum or something like that, then that changes the rules a little bit because the constraints have changed. But when you're measuring somebody, if you measure an ER, you should have a similar limitation in ER in the epsilon extremity. But it looks like you don't. It looks like, wow, we've got a lot, especially on the one side, it looks like, wow, we've got a lot of ER, don't we? But the reality is, if you're anteriorly oriented, and I lay you on a table, so the table becomes a constraint. So if you lay on the table and then you roll backwards on the table as many people do, you don't see the restriction of ER in the table measure, right? But the magnification tells us that chances are you felt backwards on the table, assuming all the constraints are intact. Because you do have situations where you'll have like this one outlier measure, like everything matches. And then you see this like crazy kind of like an external rotation that'll show up, like cricket bowlers, baseball pitchers and stuff like that. They have a lot of rollback on the table. Like they all rollback on the table, which gives them a truly magnified ER representation. They get twists and bones that magnify the ER. So there's a lot of stuff that you kind of need to know under those circumstances, but typically what you're looking at here is you're looking at a layback on the table. The layback is actually more in this situation on the right side, correct? If we saw more on the right, yeah. We saw more on the right than we did on the left, because when you're laying on the table, the left side of your body is probably not touching the table relative to the right side. So you're kind of measuring like this.