Okay. You weren't on last week's call. No, got it. See, you would have already gotten the answer for this. This is what happens when I miss one. I'm truly it's like if you would have been on last week's call. Well, Jane, was it you that you asked about the ISA roll? Yeah, okay. So think about the orientation of the lower rib cage for wide ISA. They're going to be in a compensatory ER to take a breath in. So the ISA is going to turn up and out like that. So when you're applying pressure to the rib cage, you have to think about the opposing position, right, which is going to be that oblique angle internal rotation of the anterior rib cage. And so when you say, is it enough for me to push sideways? It's like, this is a helix, right? So we got to think along those lines. It's like, I got to go from this ER position to the IR position, don't I?

If you can speak both languages, you've got superpowers. So keep that in mind.

Yeah. Yes. It's going to come up from there. It's going to start coming up from the ground. And that's where you go. That's where you go towards screw home.

So the raising up your right leg is shoulder to hand?

You're right, it doesn't always work. But again, this is where people cookbook things. They go, 'Oh, knee goes in, I need to push the knee out.' And it's like, without asking the question, it's like, 'OK, why is it in? Why is it moving inward when I don't want it to?' You know, it's like, why are they doing it? They don't have an explanation for that. They just go, 'Okay, knees in, I pushed knees out.' And again, maybe a certain percentage of the time they're going to be right. And then if it sticks around, if they do it enough times and then they convince themselves that that is the way to fix it, that works great. But what are you going to do when it doesn't? You know. And again, this is why the understanding of the sequence events of how these things occur becomes so important to us because the how matters. Because every time you see something, it's not one thing, right? We have multiple influences, right? We've got an axial position, we've got an orientation and we've got the AP superficial muscle activity that's in play here that's all creating this. Do I have any other adaptive influences? For instance, it's like, do you have a rear foot that has an adaptation and that is not going to allow that anterior orientation to resolve? Now I need to start thinking about, okay, what do I have to do to this rear foot so I don't anteriorly orient? There's not a band around the knee that's going to fix that because that's gonna be a ground up representation that I need to affect, right?

Awesome.

Good morning. Happy Thursday. I have neuro coffee in hand and it is perfect. Right? Because what happens is a lot of times, people are trying to produce force in this situation of this late knee representation, which is a no-no under many circumstances for many reasons. A lot of anterior knee pain, a lot of lateral knee pain because they're going to get the superimposition of the ER coming down from the top. If I do this under really high force conditions, I could blow an ACL.

Okay. If you go any farther, you're going to fall on your face.

Yeah.

It means that I need to, so if I put the left foot out in front and I was doing the chop, that's not middle. That's an early representation, isn't it? Say it one more time. If I were to flip flop my feet, if I put the left foot forward under the circumstance that you're describing, and I did the top, that's going to be an earlier representation. So that's not the highest force producing position. If I want to capture the higher force producing position with the turn, then I drop the foot back. You see it.

I think I know where you're going now. So your concern is you're going to need to load this area, but you don't want to make the current orientation worse. Am I correct? Yes. Okay. Let me throw something out to you that you'll understand. And then we might be able to use this to our advantage. You deadlift? Yeah. Use a mixed grip? Yeah. Okay. Which hand is supinated for you? Rodding. Okay. Which way you turn in under those circumstances with your deadlift?

So keep in mind when we talk about early, we can go back to Tia's question when we're talking about open and closed chain and the direction of the force. We're using a distal to proximal force production to promote that early representation. He's going to be a middle guy. You're just trying to get the earlier representation of the forces being applied so he can create some of the relative motion he needs to manage that, so he's not creating the focal load where everything is just superposed.

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it kind of draws a circle of how there's probably a very symmetrical relationship between the feet within that. Like they will necessarily have a counteracting effect within that. But it was not intuitive to me, like okay, at some point you're too much in front and in the back that you're going to start to go into a square. Like you will need to narrow it again. But anyway, I said that was the last thing. So thank you.

Okay. When you say posterior expansion, clarify your thought.

No, but what I thought was that after she got to the right, she got compressed even further and then started going to the right.

Table.

I don't recall.

Okay, but let's use the previous element of discussion. And then let's say, how do you move the ball from one place to another?

So I appreciate that. It was very nice of you to say.

Because you have to look at the universe as the entire system and then there's the, there's the given the tape, right?

Hang on. You put the kettle bell on our right hand, and then the behavior changes, right?

Sometimes it does because of the eccentric orientation of the internal rotators or the external rotators.

and to your capsule and.

Yeah.

Yes.

So, you took out your microscope and you went like this and you looked right at the lower back, right?

You see someone who will probably try to do like the little turn and like whip themselves over, probably like you kind of have to help them out a little bit at first.

Yeah, I guess that was part of the original confusion that prompted the question is that like, I get that hip external rotation, hip flexion, and those straight leg raise in my estimation comes back with a lot of what we're doing, but we're not seeing the change in the shoulder.

Well, it's definitely early. If you're going downhill, you're using an early representation. And there's still IR there.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying is that you just have to monitor that excursion. Because you don't want to, again, at some point in time, they should be able to do all of that stuff for you. But if you're really focused in on trying to maintain the concentric outlet, then train the concentric outlet and be consistent with that until they can demonstrate it at will.