You see it? Okay.

Get her back further. I don't know. It doesn't seem clear to me. That's where my thought process is limited.

Yes.

Just to dissect on that some more, is it like what degree? I just kind of want to know because you guys always talk hip flexion when turned into that internal rotator, the glute medius, and what are the muscles? Is it the muscles below the lesser trochanter? Is that what you're referring to?

Thank you. You too.

Did you hear my dog story too? Yeah, it's like, what do I do now? What do I do now? Right?

This is my role. It's literally like, I go to places, I go here and then I go to IFAST. It's like, that's it. It's all you do, right? And I'm happy, I'm happy with that. But again, it's like, it's just, it's just following principles. Like I, like, yes, it is, like my model is a representation. It's, it's a specific application to the universal principles, right. And it's like you'll see this in, uh, it's it's sort of like looking for the unified field theory in human behaviors, right? So you mentioned something about consciousness and things like that, and I would argue that there's going to be like, if I ever get into that aspect of it, it will be coherent with what we talk about.

Yesterday I had a client come in to deadlift and there was one situation that was more apparent than others, which was thoracic and cervical extension as he was trying to deadlift. So I've been following the guide of not table testing everybody if it's unnecessary, just kind of seeing things happen and then going to the table to test. So I put him on the table and checked his external rotation and dorsal rostro expansion, and it wasn't there. So I gave him exercises for expansion of his upper back, which fixed and helped some things in that moment. I told him we need to go through this over and over again, but then his lower back had more curvature. So after retesting, and knowing about the legs, I didn't know which one to put more emphasis on, but this is one thing and this is another thing. Does that kind of come up where you fix one thing, another comes up, and then you have to go fix that one too?

Right.

So now you've got an early foot or an early representation anyway, right? You see the difference? So again, when we're talking about some form of representation, we're always talking about ideals, right? So this is what I'm talking about though. So as soon as you start, if you break the knee to start your squat, that's where you're gonna start the late propulsive position. With the understanding that the stiffness of the constraints make it look different, but the rules are the same. This is where I think people get really confused. I'm fond of saying that you're 99% water and 1% stuff, and all the stuff is made from the same stuff. It's just some of it's a little bit stiffer than the other stuff, and so it looks different, so people think it's different. But it's not. It's all the same because the minute you start looking at everything being made from the same stuff, then you understand that, oh, it behaves the same too. So it follows the same rule. So a bone can twist, fork, elongate, and compress. Well, so can a tendon. Well, so can a ligament. Well, so can fascia, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So it all behaves the same way. So the rules don't change. It's just that the shape of the constraint might direct it a certain way. But it's gonna follow the same, like I said, follows the same rule. This is why I don't use the C word. Core. Because if you think the one in your belly is any different than the one in your elbow, or the one in your knee, or the one in your ankle, or the one in your neck, they're no different. They follow the same rule. So there's nothing special about the one that's in the middle. Okay. So I don't give it, I don't give it special attention. I don't think it deserves its own word that is vague and meaningless.

So everything is sort of road tested, right?

I saw that. I saw that.

She did. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. She did.

Right.

When I'm off the wall.

Yeah.

Here's the thing you have to understand: they're never going to have a great counter-nutation like a narrow ISA individual will. But you still have to slow them down the same way. Expecting a wide ISA individual to sit down into the bottom of a deep squat without some form of compensatory activity is a rarity. That is the earliest representation of that pelvic orientation. It's not that they can't deep squat; it's just about how they're doing it. You'll see them move their feet apart and externally rotate to produce the internal rotation effect. The representation is a deep squat, but the orientation is different. You have to respect the degree of structure they're always biased toward that middle representation. Their external rotation spaces will be a little smaller, and their internal rotation space a little bigger. When we talk about slowing them down, we're trying to capture that early representation, but don't expect a 70-30 external rotation to internal rotation ratio on a wide ISA individual.

Yeah, Bill, some of these athletes tend to do what looks like a good morning squat. They'll get the knees that come in and then somebody will blame the quads or the back.

Right there. Right. Okay. So if this, if this doesn't change its orientation, then this can't change its orientation. So I got a rear foot that's an ER. I got a midfoot that's going to stay in ER. And then I drop my IR right there. And then there's, there's where your friend runs.

Yeah. You know, it's like, if they're still treating the site, if you will, right? They're not taking advantage of this understanding. It's like the site is kind of telling you how far into this thing, right? And now you've got to start thinking, it's like, okay, is this proximal, distal, or proximal? Yep. And then that's going to give you a tremendous amount of information as to what to do next. Yup. Cause there's a lot of stuff that you could do that may give temporary symptomatic relief. I'm like, just get tension off of that spot. You're going to get some symptomatic relief to resolve that. It's going to require some strategy. Cause again, if you had a bottom-up approach, it's going to be different.

So this is the early representation, first superimposition of internal rotation on the ER. Got it? Yeah. Okay. If you try to bring the tibia forward over the foot, what has to happen in the rear foot to allow you to translate the tibia forward?

Sorry I caused it.

So you're emphasizing the production. Well, okay, hang on. So if the pinky side of your hand is against the inside of the dumbbell, you're cranking it towards supination.

Yes.

With narrows being expansive by nature, essentially at the pelvic floor, all the fluid in the pelvis is constantly just has more of a tendency to open up down into it, essentially, because of that eccentric orientation.

Yeah. But this is one of the reasons why people with knee pain go to the gym and just do shallow squats because it doesn't hurt. Because they're not exposing the knee to that area where they need that increase in tibial internal rotation that they can't produce. So they end up having bad knees. When the reality is they don't have a bad knee, they just have one that's misguided because it's a dumb joint and just following what they have trained it to do.

You see it?

Yeah. So Manuel did it with his hands. You could see it. It's going to be either an ER or an IR orientation at that point, because I have superposed the ERs and the IRs at that point in time. Okay. Yeah. It doesn't just happen with the chop, Zach. Uh huh, exactly, exactly. And so this is how you, so as you're moving through these excursions, you're moving through the expanded and the compressed and the expanded and the compressed and the expanded and the compressed. And so what you're doing is you're learning how to create and maintain a gradient depending on the context of the position, the movement and the force relative to where you are in space.

Matt, it's entirely dependent on the degree of excursion that's taking place.

With IR. With IR. OK. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be why you would want to do that. So again, it's. You know how I talk about interference. Okay, sometimes you use interference to your advantage to create an area of emphasis. So when you're trying to untwist a hand relative to the distal radius, I got to fix everything from proximal to distal in a certain position, then I can turn my hand against it. So this would be, so I take an early IR representation of the extremity and I superimpose an ER distal on top of it, that's how you untwist a hand, because I have to have the relative position change, right? So if I put everything in ER and I try to twist the hand into ER, sometimes you can get it. Sometimes you don't. But if I, if I have everything going the other way and then I twist the hand in that direction, boom, there's my big change. You see it?