Less of 35 year old athletes, but I get sometimes, yes.

Okay.

So would you say that the Valgus would be something that happens before the Varus position or?

like anger, managing anger or something like that.

Okay, well, so if you can, the step number one is you got to create some space to work in, right? That's what you're trying to do with the rolling. So you take a little bit of gravity away and you should be able to increase space, right? That would be the favorable result. So you do the rolling and you expand the anterior posterior space on the sides and it slowly, she starts to create the turns, right? Okay, and so we're tying all of this in. So this is like an Ian question and this is like a Misha question today, right? So Misha's representation is very, very similar in regards to where the spaces are that you have available to you. The problem is if she's a narrow ISA, you don't have like crazy wide space, you just have a smaller box entered a posterior. So she's working inside of this space, right? So she's within her pelvis and she's got a little bit of turn. So all of the stuff that would lighten her is available. So anything where she's pulling something down should be useful. Anything where she is reaching out to the side should be useful. But you can probably get her into supine asymmetrical. So she can do things like that teaching her like some of the armbar stuff would be available to you, right? So she can start to turn, right? And create the anterior posterior expansion here. She's gonna get lower cervical spine to start to move, which is probably gonna be really, really useful, especially if she's got the representation of the herniated disc there. You got a lower cervical spine that's not turning. If she's got a lumbar herniation, she's got a lumbar spine that's not turning. Okay. The stepping away from midline. So I think you and Misha should probably have a conversation, right? Because you're gonna structure a very similar representation. Misha's client's gonna be able to take a bigger step away from midline. Your client's gonna take a shorter step away from midline, but in the same directions. Because again, the spaces are in the same place. It's just a smaller representation side to side. Okay. Yeah.

Any illustrations of that? What do you mean with visual references?

Okay, so that would be a restriction of internal rotation of the shoulder if the sternum is pushed down. Do this for me. Put your arm up in like a 90 degree angle there. Perfect. Now, don't change the shoulder orientation, just bend backwards. Did your hand go back too? Yes. So does that make it look like there's more external rotation? Yes. Okay. Was it more external rotation in the shoulder? Not relative. No, that is correct. Okay. So, when you see a magnification, your ER in your shoulder and your hip should match, which means you should know already before you even measure somebody. Unless there's a constraint problem, like a torn labrum, then the rules change. But when you're measuring somebody, if you measure an ER, you should have a similar limitation in ER in the opposite extremity. It looks like you don't. It looks like you have a lot of ER, especially on one side. But the reality is, if you're anteriorly oriented and you're laying on a table, the table becomes a constraint. So if you lay on the table and roll backwards as many people do, you don't see the restriction of ER in the table measure. The magnification tells us that chances are you lay backwards on the table, assuming all constraints are intact. There are situations where you'll have outlier measures, like cricket bowlers and baseball pitchers, who have a lot of rollback on the table, giving them a truly magnified ER representation. They get twists in the bones that magnify the ER. Typically, what you're looking at is a layback on the table, and if we saw more on the right, that's because the left side of your body is probably not touching the table relative to the right side. You're kind of measuring like this.

So we're just talking connective tissue stiffness now, aren't we? You see the difference?

Yes, absolutely. So as I said, this gets confused with swelling in a lot of cases because what you have is the femoral orientation resting on top of the tibial plateau. And so it creates a shift in the fluid compartment itself. You get a sort of anterior aspect of the knee that shows a little bit of puffiness, and then the posterior aspect looks swollen. Again, it gets misidentified. A lot of times the athlete will complain of posterior pressure at end range knee flexion, and it's often just the fact that they can't reorient the knee to move the fluid out of that area. So you're just compressing on an incompressible fluid, and that's what they end up feeling.

I'm standing on a thick surface.

I think I understand what you're asking. So let's go back to Andrew's question for a second. If we look at a counter-nutated versus a nutated sacrum, the counter-nutated sacrum as it counter-nutates, the sacral base would tilt backwards and brings the lumbar spine with it. As we compress that forward, the lumbar spine would have to go with it to some degree. And as you need to access space, that takes away your ER space, right? So as I compress the pelvis forward, I start to lose ER space. It's like the end of a whip. If I move the sacral base, or the whole pelvis, the spine has to go with it. Everything starts to move as more of a single unit. Then as you descend into a position where you need that space, that's where you'd see the substitution of flexion, traditional flexion, as the substitution versus somebody that could descend into a squat using a typical early representation, which would be the counter-nutated sacrum with the spine that follows. You'll see this in more accomplished weightlifters at the bottom of a clean or snatch. They access that space with counter-nutation and lumbar flexion, not the rounding of the spine you'd see in somebody less accomplished with less capability to access that space with relative motion. As I lose relative motions, that's where you'll see the flexion substitutions. So you'll see these represented more where someone has reached end-range positions. After I take away all the relative motion in the pelvis, I still have to have movement to access space. That's where you'll see lumbar and cervical substitutions. You'll see this in the cervical spine as well, though it's not as obvious because the cervical spine is smaller regarding bony structure, but it's there at the same time. So if you think about a progression, it's like I don't need that space until I take away the relative motions in the thorax or the pelvis. You won't see that until the pelvis is already pushed forward and you have posterior compressive strategies. Until then, I have ER somewhere, right? Then the spine would be one of your less desired compensatory strategies because that's usually where you see somebody substituting a very focal delay strategy in the lumbar spine.

Does that help?

Yes.

Okay. If I unweight that foot, how hard are you pushing into the ground? Not at all. Okay. Which direction is your center of gravity going?

Okay and then so another question if you're having so a lot of these rolling activities you're not going to have your foot on the wall but potentially you could have one foot on like if you're in sideline and you've talked about this before you can have one foot on the wall.

And then after you do that, you can do the left cross connect. And then in this case, you'll be creating the first shape that you need to initiate the roll. By reaching with the left. I think I understand.

I think your best case is just to start tracking data points. Yeah. You decide what your KPI is going to be as a determinant of fatigue. So you can ask him, it's like, OK, on a scale from one to five, how recovered do you feel? And then you do your field test, and then you track that over time. So he comes in, he goes, and you say, how tired are you? He goes, I'm a three out of five. You know, and then he has like the worst jump of the week kind of a thing. You kind of know that, okay, he feels tired and he's demonstrating the fatigue as well. Right. So there's a lot of ways that you can do this. But I would say that you're just like a couple of quick tests on a regular basis will give you the information that you're looking for.

Uh-huh.

Right.

Well, if you take away the need, then as you start to move the extremities through space and he does have spaces in front of him, that should start to adapt itself just like it got him there in the first place. Give him some place to go. He will find a strategy that will sort of undo that.

Because they're shoved way forward. And let's say I didn't do anything to address that.

Because you're mostly connective tissue. Outside of the water, you're mostly connective tissues. Okay. And then you get some other stuff like you get specialized cells, which like muscle cells are specialized cells, liver cells are specialized cells.

Well, I think you're already on it. I think you kind of knew the answers before we started talking. You just needed somebody else to say, yeah, you're on point.

Yeah, I'm answering a question with that.

I gotcha.

It's sneaky because traditionally what people have done is they say you need to push out and push more. Yeah, I get that. But if I actively ER at the hip, I'm going to push outward to create that ER space, but that's going to push the pelvis forward, and that becomes a late propulsive strategy. If I get late at the top of the squat, I want early at the bottom of the squat. I can't push out because that's propelling me forward. I need to create a delay strategy at the bottom. So I have to have expansion at the base of the sacrum. I have to be able to yield under those circumstances. If I can't do that, then I don't descend into the squat in an early representation because that's my goal with the band.

Yeah. And then how, so let's say once that's, let's say we have someone that doesn't have that severe of that posterior compressive strategy, but they're more of that kind of oblique turn to that, to that right side. I guess I kind of struggle with picturing how we're changing the forces to create the helical angle back without just pushing further back towards the left side.

No, so what the bands are designed to do is prolong the duration of max propulsion. The chains intentionally slow you down. So I start in this unweighted position so I can initiate the squat, but as I push through max force, that's where the load comes in. So I'm actually teaching concentric and increased stiffness at that point. So again, bands and chains do not do the same thing. They are not necessarily for the same person at the same time. There might be a period where to emphasize that element of the lift where it becomes very, very useful. But there might be somebody that never ever benefits from chains ever because their physiology is designed to be stiffer. They were meant to be somebody that lifts heavy, heavy things without a time constraint, like a powerlifter. So the guys that have to be powerlifters, they don't all benefit from the same thing. They shouldn't all cycle through bands and chains because some of them are already pre-designed to be really, really good at certain things. And then they're not so good at other things. And then spending time on that stuff is just a waste of time because they don't get better from it. All those techniques are useful for someone at some time. They are not useful for everyone at some time.

Yeah.

Yeah because I know over the summer I had to ask you about the evolution of your model and how you stay prolific in terms of the content that you create, and you had indicated that you were always just creative. And part of that was that was where my questioning came from—where do you feel like you're in that struggle? That's the part of being in that struggle that helps facilitate that struggling with the failure, and I know you've talked about that. That is what, you know, creates or fosters that creativity.