No, that is correct. So when you see a magnification, your ERs match in your shoulder and your hip, which means you should know already before you even measure somebody. It's like I know that unless there's a constraint problem, like if you tore a labrum or something like that, then that changes the rules a little bit because the constraints have changed. But when you're measuring somebody, if you measure an ER, you should have a similar limitation in ER in the epsilon extremity. But it looks like you don't. It looks like, wow, we've got a lot, especially on the one side, it looks like, wow, we've got a lot of ER, don't we? But the reality is, if you're anteriorly oriented, and I lay you on a table, so the table becomes a constraint. So if you lay on the table and then you roll backwards on the table as many people do, you don't see the restriction of ER in the table measure, right? But the magnification tells us that chances are you felt backwards on the table, assuming all the constraints are intact. Because you do have situations where you'll have like this one outlier measure, like everything matches. And then you see this like crazy kind of like an external rotation that'll show up, like cricket bowlers, baseball pitchers and stuff like that. They have a lot of rollback on the table. Like they all rollback on the table, which gives them a truly magnified ER representation. They get twists and bones that magnify the ER. So there's a lot of stuff that you kind of need to know under those circumstances, but typically what you're looking at here is you're looking at a layback on the table. The layback is actually more in this situation on the right side, correct? If we saw more on the right, yeah. We saw more on the right than we did on the left, because when you're laying on the table, the left side of your body is probably not touching the table relative to the right side. So you're kind of measuring like this.

Only if they listen to these videos, right? In all seriousness, it's like nobody comes to you. They just want the pain to go away. It's like there are certain things that we can do that will alleviate pain, but it's not always the best strategy because we might have to push them farther into something to catch that because of the constraints. Right? I want to make it very, very clear that I'm not saying that this is the ideal situation. This is actually just to alleviate the symptom. It doesn't, it's not the fix. It's like, okay, I have a constraint. I am here to solve someone's problem that they came to see me for.

Yeah.

Okay.

Both sides, more so the right.

Okay.

OK. Very, very helpful. Very helpful.

But you're applying it in context and that's what makes it meaningful. You're seeking it out this time instead of being told, here's what I want you to know.

Always reorient. Because you can't re-acquire all of the relative motions without reorientation because the orientation is caused by the superficial musculature locking segments together. If they all move together, there's no relative motion there. If there's no relative motion, then there is no expansive capabilities where things have to move, they literally have to move apart to create the space. And so if they can't do that, then you're not going to get the change. You might actually get some other reorientation, where the whole segment turns, and that sort of magnifies some of your ERs and IRs as well, but again, it's not the true relative motions. And the way you would know that is because you would just measure all your other stuff and you make your comparisons, you can go, wait a minute, that doesn't really fit. And that's how you know that you had something like a whole segment of the body turned, like the whole pelvis turned or the whole thorax turned, because you get a magnification of one measure, but you don't get restoration of the others.

That makes, yeah, I get it now.

Yeah, nothing really. So I mean, again, these are the people that if they're super on the table and you take one of their lower extremities and you try to move it, it's like right away you feel that resistance just kicking in against you. And you're going like, uh-oh, okay. We've got a lot of times you have somebody that's sort of like this end game representation where all the posterior lower is concentrically oriented. And if you don't manage that first, you don't have a whole lot of space to work with. Gotcha.

Do you think that chains would be a midway to that as well? Because they're stiff, but they're also gradual.

Yeah, so let's say we use that example because a lot of these bands like you can use so we say we get a really skinny one always a really thick one, right? Like there can be drastic changes and, you know, between even a little small one, a big one, an individual. So like say you're trying to do that chop like then you have like us as yellows are really skinny one. We have a yellow as like, I don't feel anything for say like, no, I get you're not necessarily what you're trying to get is one thing was like it's just they can kind of get it. Yeah, let's say you add that you go up one side and then they go to do the chop and it's You know, we can't right your arms are strong enough now. It's also a huge Shoulder frog. Yeah, like and that's where it's like it matters in regards to a lot Yeah, and okay. I know how do you at that point is it's like all you have to Do something else, less of a chop, essentially?

That's how you figure this stuff out.

Talk fast.

So if we talk about limitations in what would be referred to as traditional shoulder flexion, the early phase of that movement requires that you have a posterior expansion in the area below the level of the shoulder blade to initiate that movement without any compensatory strategy or without any movement that will be required to move away from that midline, right? And that's where your struggle is, is that fair?

Yup.

What's the comparison to determine that one, they have the potential for it in number two? Again, how do you know versus, I mean, I understand that you can measure pitching velocity and things like that. And there's any number of parameters. But again, it's like, what are you using to determine this?

So if I'm just performing a split squat and I'm doing it like the normal way, what's the normal way? So I'm not pushing my knee forward or actively pushing it forward or actively backwards.

There's no way that you're going to be able to express that information to any degree of usefulness.

So the two terms, okay, I see, I see.

Absolutely. So think about like an offset load on a split squat. But if I put the load on the right side or I put the load on the left side, depending on which leg is forward, I've changed the exercise, haven't I? I've made it easier to do one thing and harder to do the other. And so again, you just have to decide what the intent is. Am I trying to capture a position or promote range of motion? I have to do one thing because If I do the opposing strategy, I've made it harder. And there's times to do that. So once I can capture a position, now I may want to challenge you and say, make yourself get there. Now that you have the potential to do it, now I want to apply a resistance to make it just a little bit more challenging. Because so let's just say, all right, right leg forward split squat, right side load. Easier to drive extra rotation coming up out of the split squat in that situation, harder to drive internal rotation under those circumstances. So am I trying to capture the internal rotation at the bottom, or am I trying to make it easier to come out of the bottom? You see him, it's like, so, you know, that's, that's why, you know, I'm, I'm such a stickler about not wanting people to think that there is only a way, right? People think that there is a good posture. It doesn't exist.

Yeah, well, okay. So you have, so here's the rule. I have to push into the ground really, really hard, which means that I have to have some measure of internal rotation, which is my downward force into the ground. Can you do that in a supinated foot? You can't. It's just not very effective, right?

Yeah, it's like relatively speaking, you are correct that you're going to have these ER and IR spaces assuming you have the ability to change the shape. But if I alter the context of the activity, the minute I induce load into the situation where I am having to produce force, where I'm having to compress, my biases can change or they are reduced. The minute I put a bunch of load in your hands, my ER space starts to compress, which means that I will be biased towards internal rotation under most of those circumstances because I have to squeeze myself to produce that force.

That brings me to my next question.

Hey Bill, jumping off Paul's question. Is there a way to train those pelvic muscles directly? Yes. That's part of a compound movement.

So it's like the archetype of a standard Russian program essentially.

In regards to everything you just talked about, I know sometimes people have an easier time rotating to the left or rotating to the right. I was wondering if you could just talk about that a little in context of the fact that people posturally tend to rotate right more and how maybe someone who has an easier time directionally rotating to the left in terms of range of motion how that might present.

I think it's a good sign.

Systems fail.