Um

You got dumbbells in your hands?

Well, okay. It can only happen if you're in contact with the ground.

Right.

You mean your application manually? Is that what you're saying?

Yes.

Okay. Okay.

But the problem is that I have one guy looking at it from this side and another guy looking at it from this side, and they're not switching sides.

Well, so just, I mean, yeah, I don't really understand how you would apply it manually and pressure, I guess. Sort of like going in and squeezing.

You feel tension on your chest?

I see. Got it. We need the forces of ground contact to produce it. You have to have something to push on.

Right. And then saying what's common between all of these perspectives.

To create the AP?

Yes.

To slow you down.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So we just need a more representative coherent model. And like I said, that's all I'm trying to do. Because I don't care. I don't care what tactics you use. That's what people are trying to sell you tactics. Right? You go to a course and they say, well, you're a chiropractic student, right? So have they taught you any manipulation yet? Yeah, a little bit. But that's one of those foundations that is just prolific within your profession. It's like that's going to be one of the tools that you will use. And again, so that's just a tactic to get to the end result, to buy you a window of opportunity to do something else, to teach that system to behave in a certain way based on principles. And so there's going to be a point in time where that's going to work really, really well. And then there's going to point in time where it probably won't, right? Because again, now we're back to the old classic conversation. It's like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Right. What you want to have is a few more tools in the toolbox because I might need something else under a certain circumstance that would work better. And the only way you find that out is like you test the waters and you say, okay, under these circumstances, this works really, really well. And then you and I will have a conversation 10 years from now and you're going to go, oh man, I was an idiot that first year because all I had was a hammer. Right. And then, and then, and then you, you, you work with enough people and then you develop this sense, this sense and awareness of what the probabilities are under what circumstances based on what you've done in the past. You say, every time I do this, people react a certain way. Right. Most of the time. So that's going to be the tool that I would use in that situation. Every time I do this, people react a certain way. So I'm going to use this tool under this circumstance. And then that's how you refine your skills over time. And then when you get to be an old man, And again, you're never going to be perfect. You're still going to be wrong. You're still going to make mistakes. You just make fewer of them over time if you pay attention.

Yeah, add like a final canal.

Okay, is that muscle eccentrically oriented or concentrically oriented?

Correct.

Correct.

Under those circumstances, your job is to reduce the influence of the muscular activity that's creating the pressure. That would be your best case solution. Having said that, there are some manual techniques that you can use where you can actually get between the segments and reduce the muscle activity between the segments. The intertransverse muscles become concentrically oriented as the bones approximate, so you can actually get your thumb in those spaces and apply a force upward or downward to create a turn there as well. Those techniques are a bit more deep, so you must be careful and a little sensitive, but it's doable. You can access those areas.

That muscle is eccentrically oriented.

Cool. All right. Very helpful. Thank you.

So we just need a more representative coherent model. And like I said, that's all I'm trying to do. Because I don't care what tactics you use. That's what people are trying to sell you tactics. You go to a course and they say, well, you're a chiropractic student, right? So have they taught you any manipulation yet? Yeah, a little bit. But that's one of those foundations that is just prolific within your profession. It's like that's going to be one of the tools that you will use. And again, so that's just a tactic to get to the end result, to buy you a window of opportunity to do something else, to teach that system to behave in a certain way based on principles. And so there's going to be a point in time where that's going to work really, really well. And then there's going to point in time where it probably won't, because again now we're back to the old classic conversation. It's like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. What you want to have is a few more tools in the toolbox because I might need something else under a certain circumstance that would work better. And the only way you find that out is like you test the waters and you say, okay, under these circumstances, this works really, really well. And then you and I will have a conversation 10 years from now and you're going to go, oh man, I was an idiot that first year because all I had was a hammer. And then you work with enough people and then you develop this sense, this sense and awareness of what the probabilities are under what circumstances based on what you've done in the past. You say, every time I do this, people react a certain way. Most of the time. So that's going to be the tool that I would use in that situation. Every time I do this, people react a certain way. So I'm going to use this tool under this circumstance. And then that's how you refine your skills over time. And then when you get to be an old man, you're never going to be perfect. You're still going to be wrong. You're still going to make mistakes. You just make fewer of them over time if you pay attention.

So for the most part, that situation, you're just trying to get the bone to glide through the reduction in muscle concentration.

Is it applying force to the weight?

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Yeah. Now it makes total sense. And I think having something like your model with foundational principles that are coherent within a bunch of systems at such a young age for me will be super helpful to guide my career.

Yeah, so you take away the muscular behavior that is creating the compression for sure. Yeah, but I mean, you would do that in any number of different scenarios as well, right? You want to reduce, you would like, just look at what you do with like Vastus Lateralis, like, okay, I got to reduce the muscle activity therapy. So I don't get the ER pull on the patella as an example, right? So again, from a principle standpoint, it's not different. From a technical standpoint, it's just a little bit more difficult to access, but it's doable. It's doable. It takes a little bit of patience. But like I said, when you're successful, you immediately buy space to play. And that's what you're trying to do. You're literally trying to create that space. You're not looking at it as the solution. You're looking at it as a component of the solution.

It is.