Okay. All right. So, what, and this may still be an issue. What do you got going on? When she's driving through the left leg and upright, what do you got going on?

Oh yeah, I got you. I didn't know your hands were a foot there. I'm sorry.

I can probably do that.

But more distally.

Yeah. Well, you still got to work out next so you can see it. No, but my point is it's like, so the pistol test is a test for the shape of the radius.

Something like that. Uh huh.

You say everything can be a plyometric depending on how.

Yes.

Yeah.

The middle P thing. So I was looking at that and then noticing that I couldn't think of a contraindication for when, aside from a pain response to it, that drill would not be useful as a measure for getting alignment for us to go into middle P, a better alignment for that. And I was encompassing that with the corresponding ankle drill that I've seen used with the foot up on the box and the manipulation of rotation relative to that. And so in combination with acquiring a foot that is closer to a middle representation of the foot. So for those with collapsed arches, manual manipulation of the position. And quite often, surprisingly, to me, that they can actually, for the duration of that drill, a lot of people that would normally wear orthotics and have flat arches can actually hold that position quite well. So we've been playing with that. And I was just trying to think through my head as to whether there were any contraindications for that, whether aside from a pain response, that would not be applicable for almost everybody in the sense that it brings them closer to what we are looking for.

Good morning. Happy Thursday. I have neurocopy in hand and it is perfect.

Good morning. Would I be able to do a follow-up question with that, please? Yes, you may. I'll have to apologize to the group. I don't have a PT background. I'm a golf coach, and I just found you through Dr. Mike Kay, and you recommended that. Never heard of it. So I think for me, I'm just at this point trying to get really a bit more familiar with the terminology, kind of the paradigm of how you look at movement. So when you say early, middle, late, can we associate that to ER, IR, ER?

So what you may find from a sequential influence is that you actually have to push the posterior rib cage forward and then curl it around and then pull it back. Got it. You see it? Because again, if my thumbs are where the ribs are meeting the spine and I'm pulling back like this, do you see how you've got this shape here that I have to go like that and then pull it back so it comes back into position? Again, the caliper representation is a really good one. You'll actually see this described in the literature for the lowermost ribs, nine and ten, or the so-called, what are the imaginary ribs at the bottom called? Are they floating ribs? All right, so you'll see the caliper ring of the lower rib cage. It's a pretty good mental representation to guide what you're asking, I think.

Yeah, I've noticed that as well. So I'll notice that as they're hitting like the sticking point overhead, the narrows will tend to be more trying to push forward whereas the wides are still kind of, like you said, military neck or they're whipping it back.

Okay.

I don't want to confuse the compensatory strategies of the superficial musculature with the orientation. That's basically what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How would you know that if you, so let's just say that you bring him back on the right, you're going to start to initiate the turn to the left in the same exercise, so to speak. Okay. You're just going to allow the left side to come back now to make the turn. How would you know that he's, he's not ready to, to slide back on the left?

Oh, I had it as soon as I moved my arm. Yeah.

Hang on. That's where you're going to. So think about your Apple test for a second. Your Apple test is going to tell you whether you've got a hand that is in more internal rotation than the radius. So if I'm going to prop my hand, what I want to do is stop it from going into orientation. Because what's going to happen is if I push my hand into a surface with a hand that is pronated relative to the radius, I'm going to do that—via orientation to get my hand flat. Okay. And that's what I'm trying to avoid. That's why you're going to use the prop, because what I want to do is have the hand externally rotate relative to the radius. Because it's internal rotation relative to the radius.

Is that where you'd want to create some expansion, like external rotation to give you space to gain internal?

So you understand that, right?

It unweights the pelvic diaphragm, doesn't it? Yeah, the pelvic outlet.

As soon as you said it, I got it. I get really good.

Oh, if you're applying force into the ground on the right.

Yeah.

I lost a little bit there.

No, exactly.

In Ivan's case, he didn't like the knees coming in, so he wanted them to [stay out].