OK, but hang on. That wasn't my question. Is it okay? So at some point in time, I do want to do that. That doesn't mean that it's the only solution. All right. All right. So you do have to attend to other other issues. So for instance, if I had a situation where let's just say I have a superimposition of external rotation from the pelvis downward as well as the tibial femoral ER at the knee. That would be the wrong thing to do because I'm promoting the reinforcement of that superimposed external rotation. Do you understand?

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, much better than before. Thank you.

So the conversation that you have is we need to take the horse away from you for a while because it's the only chance that we'll have to do this without surgery. And then maybe you can get back on the horse. If they fuse your spine, the maybe window is smaller because she won't have the adaptability. Okay. But like I said, you're going to have to drive early, early, early, early, early, early, early. You're going to have to make a knee orientation. You're gonna have to make a knee orientation change. You're gonna have to make a foot orientation change. You gotta make, again, you gotta go boom, boom, boom. You gotta get them all. You gotta get them all. Because again, this is not a low back issue. It's not a low back problem. It's a low back result. It's like I took all of my early strategies away to get on the horse. You gotta get them all back. All right.

relative to the humerus. So just pull the humerus and the scapula off. Okay. Hold the, hang on. Look what I have.

Late on the left.

Correct. Absolutely. If I move you out of your ideal force position, I win. Whether we're talking about sumo wrestling, offensive lineman against defensive lineman, a wrestler versus another wrestler, it doesn't matter. Same thing. Same rules. I want to take you out of your force producing position and I want to gain the mechanical advantage under all circumstances.

Without diaphragm.

Give me, so is this like just a combination of stuff from strokes to TBI to.

Excellent. So we've got internal rotation, um, from the ground up, don't we?

So would it be correct to say that sort of the left one starts in the late, gets to the max peak and then gets into early, whereas the right one, the opposite. That is correct.

I would assume it's just the way that the other components of force change over time, right?

Probably not good.

So, oh, sorry, sorry, ranges of motion. So, so like, both both hip ER and IR. Yeah. So, okay. I understand now.

Yeah, that is correct.

That's how you know when you're watching somebody squat, whether they have relative motion in the sacrum.

It's concentric. Just say concentric. I have a concentric costal diaphragm at the same time.

OK, so let's define what a bunion actually is. A bunion involves the proximal segment, specifically the first metatarsal, which twists from external rotation to internal rotation. Concurrently, the flange rotates in the opposing direction. This pattern repeats throughout the kinetic chain under these circumstances. This occurs in individuals applying greater force into the ground, increasing their ability to produce maximum propulsion. Consider this scenario: if someone has a wide pelvis and is accelerating into the ground, they must push harder and longer to resist gravitational forces. In such cases, you typically observe a more pronated foot. Individuals applying more force into the ground will exhibit this pattern at the knee, with an internally rotated femur, and what is traditionally termed valgus—which is not valgus but rather another rotation, similar to the rotational pattern occurring in the foot during bunion development. This represents someone consistently applying significant force into the ground for prolonged periods, explaining the observed adaptation. You are more likely to see this under these circumstances, and it appears in various presentations but is always associated with prolonged, forceful ground contact.

From our past conversation, stay as still as possible in the thorax and try to only move the shoulder and arm.

I'll be active on the Facebook groups.

There's just too many uncontrollable variables.

I figured you would.

Of course, but you're sacrificing force production because any element of external rotation that I add to the position of maximum propulsion is a deviation. Max P is the point where somebody can apply the greatest force into the ground. Your force into the ground determines what you can actually lift upward. So that's max propulsion. That is a point in time—an infinitesimally small point in time. Any deviation in either direction, going to early propulsion or late propulsion, is moving toward external rotation. That allows movement capability but immediately reduces force production capabilities. If you could get to Max P, here's the problem: You can't move. Time stops. Like literally, time stops. Max force, but no time. Therefore there's no movement. So if I'm going to execute a squat, bench, or deadlift, there's a certain degree of movement I need to demonstrate. Otherwise you don't get your three white lights. You ever see a guy go too shallow on a squat and he gets red lighted? What happened? Too much pressure, can't move. Squats too tight, wraps too tight, belt too tight, or his self-generated force production is so high that he can't move.

If my scaps are shaking hands back there and becoming buddies. Ain't no way you get a thorax that can move backwards. It's shoved forward by those two scapulae.

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Perfect timing.

Yeah. So I have this diagonal line that's going to try to be a straight line. Think about that because there was going to go, oh, you actually rotate. Don't think that way. Approximate the two ends to make it the shortest possible distance. Okay. So what happens under those circumstances is that it's going to pick this up. So it's on this angle like this. If I drag to your four of us, it's going to shorten in this direction, right? But it's going to do that.

Right, too.

Well, I mean, obviously it's not normal because it doesn't feel good and it becomes a limitation. But as far as what you're experiencing under those circumstances and why you may feel it, I mean, that's just a typical response to a loss of adaptability. So you're creating pressure and tension to accomplish a goal. And unfortunately, it reduces your adaptability to such a degree that that load intention now becomes painful.

So there you go. Good for him.