Maybe, but the point is, people want easy. It took me a long time to figure this out, but there is no easy if you want to be good.

Absolutely, I do. Because I don't know what the answer is going to be. This is one of the things that people have to get comfortable with. So this is a byproduct of working in the complex domain. The complex domain means that there is a cause and effect, but we just don't know what it is. And we can sometimes figure that out after the fact. That's why I always say, test and figure out what you're looking at from your perspective, and then do something safe, and then see what happens. Because I don't know what 'see what happens' is. You don't either. That is a byproduct of working in complexity. Because I don't know what anyone's experience is up to the point that they start working with me. It's like they've lived a life. They have perceptions. They have beliefs. They have behaviors. I have no idea how that's going to influence the outcome. If somebody doesn't like the color of my room, I'll fail. I might not know it's the color of my room, ever. But what if it's that? I don't know. Trial and error exists because it's very scientific. Over time, however, instead of having only two possibilities of influence, you're going to say you have 12 possibilities. My experience tells me that three of those are more likely to get the outcome that I want. But what if those three don't work? Then I've got nine other possibilities that I might be able to influence that I can slowly superimpose and say, 'I'm going to do this one and see what happens.' And I go back and I wait and I go, 'Oh, that's exactly what I wanted. I'm going to do more of that.' Or it doesn't work. Okay, take that one out. What's the next one? That doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing. That's how you work with a complex system: I'm narrowing probabilities and I have to try to understand as many possible influences as I can.

I think that the difference is between the example that you give is that, as you said before, this force that turns us to the right has a rationale behind it to keep us erect and breathing properly. So it's like, it's physiological, biological needs to do it constantly.

Yeah.

Talk about the tibia, like it's got to go forward towards that first met head.

Yeah.

That would be an easy way to do it, right? The other would be to utilize a KPI to determine my success with the intervention, like what is the influence on the KPI? So if my goal was to gain ER in this activity, right? And I don't or I see a decrement, right? Then I created interference, right? I went too long. I gave them too much medicine, right? It's like, well, how much time do I have? What's the most important thing? If I got a kid for a year, I have lots of time. I can start to spread this stuff out to a certain degree, but you always have something that would be primary, something that might be on maintenance, and then something that you're trying to prevent the decline of.

Sure.

Okay. Get the clear ones. The clear ones so you can actually see what the water is actually doing. So you'll actually see it vortex so you can see it spinning. You'll be able to see the delay that the guts are producing as represented in the water back. That will help you understand what you're asking because you're seeing the external representation but you gotta understand that the internal dynamics are on a slight delay because they move second. Got it. Got it. The way that you'll see it represented in a golf swing is you'll see the body move and then the club follows. OK? Yes. Now at the turnaround at the top, you break out your slow mo, right? They get to the top. They hit their max P at the top. They start moving in the opposite direction and then the club bends. The head of the club stays back, doesn't it?

It actually gave him sort of like the old hunchbacked kind of a look. And so what we did is we sort of undead that and we've got a series of progression of pictures that you'll see in the video that will show you the changes that occur over time, and then we discuss basically how this stuff works and why we wouldn't want to use the traditional IT and why exercises. So, Steven, outstanding question, very helpful for a lot of people. If you go to the YouTube channel, by the way, there's another video on there about ISTs and Ys as well that might be helpful. I would also suggest you look at videos like the better band pull apart and things of that that will sort of undo some of the the detrimental effects of having done those exercises.

All right, sir.

The soleus attaches a little bit more medial on the calcaneus to the gastrocnemius. And so if you have concentric orientation of the posterior chain, right? So thorax, pelvis. You're in a little bit of a pickle there because that concentric orientation is going to make sure that the calcaneus does not move in the appropriate direction to capture the midpropulsive foot. Okay. And like I said, you have to carefully position your compartment and then you have to account for the soleus. So you may need to do some work there.

So he does less volume and he's exposed to it frequently. This is again the difference between training. They put everybody on the pitchers program because they do the same thing, but they don't all do the same thing. If I have to throw pitches at max velocity, then I need a different type of exposure and a different type of training. Whereas if I need to throw 60 to a hundred pitches, that's a different story.

So there's the orientation. And if you look at her pelvis, she's got the perfect outfit on because that light gray is very easy to see the lumbar compensation. You see her low back turning to the left to twist her spine and get her foot into this space. This is a lumbar compensation to land on the ground. Then she has to orient the pelvis forward over top of this to push down into the ground, which increases the time that she's on the ground on her left side. This is why her center of gravity is way over her foot. She's pushing down through the forefoot right now, but she's still applying internal rotation into the ground. It's a really long time to be applying internal rotation to the ground. So the worst case scenario is to apply force downward into the ground in an external rotation representation. That's the first part. The second part is to do it for a really long time.

So how much internal rotation is a requirement for turn to the left.

Yeah, okay.

I wouldn't necessarily do that. Think about taking your forearm and internally rotating it. That would be pronated, right? Have you ever done anything in that position? That falls under the same type of circumstance. It's not the same as the hamstring curl because you have to appreciate the proximal position. You have to create that approximation as well. In a seated hamstring curl, the hip is in early internal rotation, which makes the mechanics a little different at the knee. And so you have to appreciate that in the shoulder as well.

Right. And again, because the setup, the setup does matter. It's like, if you create a foot contact that results in an orientation, would you expect a favorable outcome in regards to the execution of the exercise? No. Because the sequence of events that would follow that would be iterative. You're going to create a situation all the way up through the actual skill, unless you know how to bias it to create a local effect. Then I'm okay with that. And so then you have to make that decision. Like what are you trying to do? And then the cues and the execution follow suit. It's just like when you're mobilizing a joint and you don't want propagation of energy associated with that mobilization. I want a local effect. I'm just trying to keep this local. I don't want it to spread out. I don't want to dampen the influence. You should intentionally restrict movement. Let's put it that way. A lot of people don't, and then they wonder why it doesn't work. This is no different. It's just an intervention. And so you just have to decide, what type of an execution am I going for here? Am I trying to get a local effect where I'm going to intentionally constrain? Or am I trying to get a much more global effect and I'm unintentionally constraining the system? But you'll identify that in execution. And if you can't identify it in execution, your KPI will show you. And then if you're paying attention, you'd see the unfavorable result, and then you see the execution and you start putting things together as far as, oh, this is how your problem is solved. So it's like, oh, I need you to do this instead of that, or I need you to pick another exercise, or I need to do something else first. And that's how you evolve the process.

Okay. If I'm in late ER in the right lower extremity, I'm about ready to push off with my foot. How's the tibia going to prevent getting totally lost in regards to too much ER?

Bodybuilders love it.

Right. So if you get the tibia to IR, and you can get heel to butt, knee bend, right? They still have to be able to produce force straight into the ground. That's the difference. One is early, one is late. It's like, so where does late show up? Well, late IR is straight into the ground. So if I can't produce force straight into the ground, then you gotta do the late mobilization.

You mean why even use a chop in the first place?

You understand?

So, why would they move into that position to begin with?

Relative motion. Relative motion. Coincides with normal tidal volume. Okay. Not forced inhales and exhales.

It is. So think about it. Think of all the possibilities. If one person had to do that, it would take forever. Right. So we have to take the experiments from everybody. And like I said, what you should see over time, and again, this will evolve and everybody gets closer and closer. And you see little bits and pieces of this process because What you'll have is, again, take a bunch of people with different worldviews, and you demonstrate something. And three of those people will go, oh, that looks just like x, y, z. And then another three people say, no, no, no. It looks like this. And the reason it starts to look like other things is because we are converging towards something that is a more truthful or realistic representation. So it should be. a common representation, but people will always express things through the lens that they choose. And that's a big part. And that's why you have arguments and discussions on the internet that turn into like turf wars and arguments and disagreements and things like that is because they're choosing to have a limited perspective in saying, I'm going to stick with this and I'm going to defend it to the end because I don't want to be wrong. You know, that's a big part of the problem, too. It's like, it's like, you have to recognize the fact that you don't have it. Like, like you don't have the answer. And so, you know, you've got to keep your eyes open and your, your, your mind available to new information because as the evidence adds up, you're going to have to change your reality. Good morning. Happy Thursday. I have neuro coffee in hand and it is perfect. Morning, Bill. How's it going? It is great. Uh, you've been gone for a long time. So no pressure. This has to be like an awesome question. Yeah. You've gone this long. It's like you, you, you know, you're, you're highly skilled now. Yeah.

Okay.

So they sit down, right? They sit down with an early IR representation. They stand up with a late IR representation. Yeah. But you keep them within, so you start them within a range that they have available to them. Okay, Cameron. Why do you put somebody in hook lying instead of like a full supine cross-leg first? They don't have the available space. So this is what I'm saying. It's like, okay. So what I did is I took a hook lying representation. Okay. And I just stood them up and I said, okay, here's your hook lying, right? Right. With your right foot contact cross-leg. It's all the same.

Top down.

What does an AFO do? It helps put the foot in a more internal rotation based position.