Would shrugging be a compensatory movement? Because some people they'll go overhead and then they'll excessively try to shrug.

I feel it was more oblique. Yes, sir.

One's going up and one's going down.

Sounds correct to me.

They missed the lift.

Okay. Yeah.

Is one of the ways that you can tell that they're getting full relative motion just how easy it is? Is that one of the ways you might be able to tell other than just looking at like is the tibia relatively behind? Like toes grabbing, you can see that right away. But one of the ways you could tell whether somebody's just having a really easy time of it, or is that not so good of a tell?

OK, so the thing that you've been saying is that the wide ISA first compensatory strategy is since they're being pushed back, they inhale and push forward against it, or exhale and push forward against it, inhale, lower rib cage. I think I'm starting to get it, maybe.

You have to take it away. I rarely take stuff away from people until you have to, but I can tell you with great certainty. What kind does she do?

No, that's why you get the pinch on the backside of the shoulder, right? Because if you were actually erring on the posterior aspect of the shoulder joint, the scapula would be able to move. He's not moving the scapula right now, is it?

Yes. Makes sense. And as I do that, my ribcage will orient to the left, but my thorax will be turned to the right, which is basically just like me stepping back with the left leg. So I'll be early on the right.

Okay.

Use the movement KPIs from a like put them back on the table and measure something or just make sure.

Yeah, it's so it's almost like that it'll feel like they're turning through their feet. Got a better explanation.

OK. So hang on. So let's draw a line. Let's draw a line from its attachment down at the foot all the way up to where it's proximally attached. Would that be a really, really long line if I externally rotated the proximal tibia?

I actually haven't done it myself, no.

Well, just a little bit. I used to train not teaching.

Probably, yeah.

Gotcha. So I'm going to give you an example just for context. If I have an athlete that, let's say, a quarterback. If I have a quarterback taking his drop and he goes into that transfer of weight on that right foot, he can't transfer that weight very well during that phase of the motion to use the force, would it be beneficial for me to first teach him how to yield better on that side without the force going forward? Because if I teach him how to overcome with that initially, it's just going to drive the overcome.

Thank you.

Okay. So he's 26 years old and his right side just grew an extra centimeter relative to all the other bones in his body and they want to cut off the end of his ulna. Has anybody ever heard that one? Have we ever seen a distal ulnar excision? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like you take somebody that apparently has a fully calcified skeleton and then suddenly they say, well, it has ulna got too long. That's kind of what you're dealing with, okay? And the ulna didn't get long. The radius got short, okay? In normal, like if you had like totally average everything full-moving capabilities in pronation as you take the palm down, the radius moves over the ulna, you understand that concept right? Okay? because you're taking a bone that was relatively straight and you're putting it on an angle, its distance from the elbow is shorter, right? It becomes sort of like the, I don't wanna say it's the hypotenuse in the triangle because the triangle's changing shape, but anyway, radius gets shorter relative to the ulna by its distance from the elbow. which makes the ulna appear to be longer. And that's normal. That happens under every circumstance, assuming normal anatomy, which means that you lose, in pronation, you lose ulnar deviation and extension by traditional measures. Okay?

Do you think I'm ever going to see what would be the average representation on him?

So I'm going to give you, Camilla, are you listening? Matt, dirty little secret. You ready? If you have somebody that sits down into a deep squat, the tibia moves forward over the foot. So the bottom of the squat and the tibia doesn't move backwards. So it stays forward over the foot. You got somebody that does not hit early propulsion. When somebody deep squats and the sacrum is moving with its relative motions. So you start in late, you go to middle, you hit the bottom in early, the tibia has to move backwards. As the sacrum moves backwards.

Well, I think that the biggest change is that I gain more experience every year, every call, every discussion, and every time that I answer a question, I get better at answering the same questions over and over again. Then I get asked questions that I wouldn't think to ask myself, which allows me to gain a different perspective. So that's how I evolve. It's kind of funny because I had another call this morning that is very similar to your initial question as well. And it's almost, there's this selfishness that goes along with the mentorships that I do because I benefit as much as anybody from the relationship. So my ability to express myself, to express the ideas that I talk about, have improved dramatically just by doing this. So again, as much as I want to help everybody else, I want to get better too. And so that would be the biggest difference is that I'm taking full advantage of my ability to communicate with such a broad variety of people because again, it's the questions that I wouldn't think to even ask myself because maybe I think that I already understand it well enough. One of the hardest things to do is to express things that are based on experience. And so a lot of times the questions that a mentee or anybody would ask helps me clarify information in my head or express it more effectively. You'd be surprised how many questions would come up in an intensive that I've never asked myself, but answering them on the spot just gives these great moments of clarity as to what I really think or what I believe or what I understand.

Correct. The thing that you have to be careful of, especially when you get towards these end game representations, where you have that posterior lower compression. And again, I always talk about getting that orientation first, because you're not going to be able to restore relative motions until you do. You have to have, again, you have to have that space for you to recapture those. If I'm looking at end game strategies, you know you've got anti-orientations under those circumstances, right? So you've got to bring that first, but you've got to be really, really careful how you bring that back. especially with your narrow ISAs, people say, well, I'm going to posteriorly orient the pelvis with the musculature that's going to typically do that. And under many circumstances, what you're going to get is you're going to get a compensatory posterior orientation, which means the whole pelvis posterior, you don't recapture the relative motions, and you end up creating more spine movement, the relative movement within the pelvis. So you got to be really, really careful. And this is why I'm a big, big fan of the asymmetrical activities under those circumstances, because under that circumstance, I can create that space. So when we think about, especially end game narrows, so end game narrows starting to deficit because of the shape of the, of the, the diaphragm, whether we're talking pelvis or they're talking thorax, we don't have any space in that, that posterior aspect of the pelvis. And so that's why you typically see this, this post orientation versus relative motion recapture. The asymmetrical activities create this opposing strategy on either side of the pelvis, and then that's a much easier way to recapture that relative motion.

For someone looking to optimize performance or hypertrophy, there's often a trade-off that occurs between muscle hypertrophy and general movement capabilities due to the compression created with muscle hypertrophy. However, bilateral squats and other symmetrical exercises are used in programs. The advantage of bilateral movements is that they allow for easier standardization and teaching, enabling quicker learning and more accurate tracking. When using bilateral symmetrical activities, which are higher load and higher force capabilities, the goal is to increase the moment in time where we can produce force. As weight is added to the bar with these bigger movements, the goal is to teach ourselves to achieve that element of maximum force output and maximum compression. As long as we're increasing force and it doesn't interfere with anything else, this is a very useful training strategy. The byproduct of this is increased compression, which slows down time and extends the duration in which we are in an internally rotated, force-producing position. If adding the ability to produce force requires increasing the amount of time utilizing that strategy, we have extended the period of force production and reduced velocity where velocity is needed, creating interference. Force production can become detrimental when it interferes with our ability to represent that one moment in time where we have maximum peak force output that must occur very briefly. For example, if a golfer extends the duration of force output, they slow down the club head because what is needed is a peak force at a very brief moment to allow the highest possible force production. If increasing force production requires reducing the available external rotation, which represents the motion needed for ranges of motion or velocity, we have created interference by compressing that motion. Bilateral symmetrical exercises are well designed to increase the ability to produce a compressive strategy, allowing us to increase peak forces at the right time. Hypertrophy is a byproduct of that. Hypertrophy by itself, to develop any significant amount, will involve some compressive strategies, but it doesn't necessarily mean it causes interference. The way to determine the best course of action is to train people and monitor key performance indicators. If the goal is to improve acceleration, such as measuring a 10 meter sprint from a standing start, we train in the gym, retest, and if it improves, the strategy is good. If bilateral symmetrical activities are used and they continue to improve performance, that's great. However, at some point, they can become interference, and the only way to tell is through monitoring key performance indicators during training.

Right, right, right. For saying the neutral spine, yeah. Neutral spine. I use that when describing a back squat and how you can see that moments when it slips into extension away from neutral. And so ever since then, I've been just trying to develop a more nuanced perspective of what constitutes normal mechanics. The confirmation that it's simply representations that we use to confirm our suspicions is good. It's also a little terrifying if you're probably, if you're a new coach or therapist, to just be like, we don't really know what's going on. I mean, I've been doing this for almost six years, but a lot of people, you know, are just starting and I guess, yeah, I guess my, One of the elements in my journey is going to be figuring out how to communicate this better and better to people.

Responsibility for? I would say both.

Okay.

There's no real difference in concept. The shapes are a little different, but ultimately, it's going to be the exact same concept. Do you arch when you squat?