Yep, makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

And then if you were pressing overhead, if you were going from a narrow press versus something that's a little bit more open and less range of motion overhead, you would have in the wider group, you would say that humeral internal rotation, but then here you're getting your internal rotation, I guess, through just that shoulder flexion.

Yes. So the distal tibia will be more relatively internally rotated than the proximal tibia because I still have to put force into the ground. The degree of internal rotation is dependent on how late this strategy is. The more of the late strategy that's coming down, the more external rotation that I'm superimposing against the whole length. And again, this is what's going to create that bowed representation under extreme circumstances. The distal tibia will be more internally rotated than the proximal tibia would be under those circumstances because I have to put force into the ground somewhere. The question is how much internal rotation I actually have.

OK, and a little bit of a follow up on that. If I'm doing something like a low force cable job, it's low intensity activity, but it's like there's reps. Do I still want to cue in that circumstance where it's nasal breathing, it's quiet? Do you still want to cue like inhale, exhale as the rep takes place? Do you want to completely abandon that notion so they're just breathing without thinking?

I don't. That's exactly right. Eat number one to absorb force first. Can they produce force second? Can they produce force quickly? Can they produce force quickly again and again and again?

No, no, no. Well, okay, I'm just saying, if you're going to compare the two guys, you have 10 measures to play with here. So you've measured them more than once, and so you kind of know them a little bit. The point is that you don't know. You have no idea until you start to measure and until they start to perform. Now, if you're working with painful conditions, then it would behoove you to maximize relative motions so you can alleviate the issue first and foremost. When it comes to performing, and as they start to return to throwing, you need to continue to measure them as they ramp their throwing back up to determine what would be optimal. So I'll have a picture that can come in and if we don't get them to like 135 degrees on the table, then we know that we don't have his peak level performance. Another guy would come in and if I saw that on the table, I'd probably flip out a little bit and I'd go, 'Ugh, we got like a crazy orientation.' And he's going to come in, he's going to say, 'I get that right lat pain every time I throw.' And the reason that I know that is because I've worked with them over an extended period of time. And so I get to know these people and then that's what determines what the KPI is that we're chasing. So the unfortunate answer is you need more data points to determine your answer.

Oh, I don't care how you do it. I don't care how you do it. I want you to understand the premise about what you need to do.

Okay. Well, why does that happen? Because that rate change, it's already that, uh, the rate on the, on the, soft with the connective tissues already expanded, so you don't have that contractile ability to overcome. Okay. So static stretching addresses one end of the yield and overcome relationship, right? So if I take a rubber band and I pull it back, that's a yield. If I pull it back and I release it very quickly, it snaps back, so that's the overcome, all right? But understanding how connective tissue behavior works is that when I yield, if I hold the static stretch long enough, I squeeze the water out from the outside, and then it slowly comes back into shape like a stretch Armstrong. You know what I'm talking about? The toy, right? And it slowly comes back into shape as the water that got squeezed out goes back into the tissues. So until that water goes back in, I have this yielded tissue that won't snap back, so it will not overcome fast enough. So the power output that's associated with movement is the stretch and release element of connective tissues.

Very gently. You don't have to be aggressive with the stuff. In fact, you don't want to be aggressive. So you don't use heavy weights. You don't drive aggressive breathing with people that are already compressed because I want the expansion. So again, it should feel fairly gentle as far as this whole thing started. If you hear the guttural noises of people that are holding their breath and then having trouble breathing through it, it's probably too hard of an activity. So in that case, you take the weight out of their hand and say, okay, we're just going to gently roll back and forth. And I want to make sure that you breathe in and breathe out. Okay.

Yeah.

And so again, it's like, you have to consider that guy. Like I said, we never get to see him because we don't see those people that have full movement capabilities, because when they do, they tend to feel pretty good, right? Yeah, exactly. But at least you can start to create the bias. And so then this is going to translate up into the axial skeleton and down into the feet, because it has to, because I've got these iterative aspects to anatomy. So the upper thorax and the pelvis tend to behave the same. The foot is going to be oriented in a certain way based on center of gravity. And so I have a center of gravity shift that's associated with the mutation, right? So that's going to grab my center of gravity forward. So I should expect to see the arch moving down towards the ground as they're translating the tibia forward over the foot. So again, it's like these nice little representations. Now, there's a lot of other strategies that can be superimposed on that, but at least we have this foundational representation from which we can start to work. And we say, okay, this guy started in middle propulsion. So he's like literally right over his feet, and then I shifted to the center of gravity forward, what should my expectations be under those circumstances? And then that's where you start to see the changes in the average range of motion start to disappear. When I start to get superficial stuff laid on top of this, we're going to start to lose more and more ranges of motion because we've taken away turns that we need to create these ranges of motion. Does that provide you an element of understanding because I know I'm talking fast because we only have a little bit of time.

I already finished it, yes. So my question is about the hip joint. And it goes a little bit in the direction of Manuel's question, regards to reading stuff and implementing that information. So I read an article about CT imaging of the femoral neck angle and the torsion angle. And I watched your video about the magnified internal rotation measurement on the table from the hip joint. And I've had one patient who presented like that, like with more than 60 degrees of internal rotation, both sides. And I was wondering how much do these anthropometrics, like the differences between individuals in hip architecture, let's call it like that, influence my table tests and maybe is there a way to differentiate between those factors and the orientation factors that I'm looking for. Or is it even necessary to consider that because the actual underlying principles don't really change because I'm looking for improving relative motion and improving orientations. So I was wondering, is this information in the article something that is valuable for myself as a clinician.

That was my next follow-up. Like shoulder flexion. You see that all the time, but yeah. Okay.

About a flat thoracic spine and a narrow versus a wide. Can you tell me a little bit about that or how it came about?

Yeah, it doesn't seem like we can get too deep for 20 seconds.

Did we help? Yeah, it's good clarity for thought.

To create that degree of adaptation to allow them to produce those forces, they must maintain those strategies consistently. Their adaptations become so strong that they require resource shifts, allocating all resources in one direction. This applies to any circumstance where someone has specialized to the nth degree—whether physical or cognitive. Their adaptability becomes limited, but this limitation grants them superpowers. For general population clients, we must ensure they can apply compressive strategies when needed and reduce them when appropriate.

Okay, there are similarities, but they can do things differently. So if I got a guy that's five foot ten, 220 pounds, and he's a wide stance, and I got another guy that's six foot seven, 210 pounds, and he's a narrow stance, right? There's certain elements within the throw that have to take place, but how they acquire those positions, how much time they have to produce each element may be different. Right. But again, that's why like you can't take anybody off the street and turn them into anything that they want to be. Go ahead.

Sprint volume, is that what you're saying?

Okay.

Minimize range of motion.

Yeah, absolutely. I can see her body, how tense she is.

Yes, sir.

Great stuff. Appreciate it. Thanks very much, Bill.

Yeah.

like a kind of armor, something like that.

Absolutely not. You are correct. There's a difference. Because when I'm pressing a load, that space for external rotation isn't there. It doesn't exist. It is a space. It's not a line. It's not an arc. It's a space. It's based on the shape that you use to create the end result. That's why when Manuel tells somebody to press with their right arm, that's why they turn to the left.

Based on what you're talking about earlier, and not that it's trial and error, but in the sake of Nate and I think more so even for Borbala, and in the sake of myself, I'm just trying to figure out and piece some of this stuff together of like, okay, what do the shapes look like? What do I need to do to alter those shapes? In some ways it feels like I'm just playing with my clients, and I don't know that they would necessarily want that, not that.

Anytime you've got a shorter time span to prepare somebody, again, you have to use a little bit more of an intensive method to acquire fitness quickly. But then you'd have to monitor your key performance indicators to make sure that you're not driving them too hard in one direction too quickly. So again, what we would recognize in our models that we would see people losing ranges of motion, but you have to have some way to identify it—like, okay, what is their fitness level? So you have to do some testing right to determine where do we need to go? What is the greatest emphasis that we need to place on them? So the nice thing about professional athletes in general, though, that have been at that level for a while, is that they do have—they have constructed machinery that lasts for a really long time. So they don't decline as much, but there might be like a priority in regards to, I don't know, force production or endurance that you can emphasize. And so again, if you're in a short-term situation, the majority of the work that you do will be towards that singular entity of their performance. I don't think that any one model has all the answers, so you take what you can from—it's kind of what we were talking about before—it's like you take whatever you can from any of the other models. But understand that every model is limited. Nobody has complete information. And so again, you need some way to integrate all of those things because everybody tries to speak a little bit different language, even though that we're all talking about the same thing. And so you'll have any number of perspectives. So I tend to gravitate away from a singular system, if you will, because of the limitations. Having done that, so the mistake that I made was doing something like that—right?—and not allowing myself to see other things. We're only seeing it through a singular lens. So the more models that you have, the more lenses that you have allow you to see so many different things that are influences. And so I encourage you to take whatever you need to from any source, but look at it from a much larger perspective and saying, this is not the end all be all answer, no matter what you're studying, because all of them have a limit to what they can do.

Okay. Thank you so much for.