Okay, yes, but what you may actually have to do is to think about where you have to put pressure through the ilium. Okay, so if I shrug my shoulders in this manner and I'm trying to reproduce the exact same representation in my pelvis, you might have to do some other things first. Right? So think about all the musculature that would be concentrically oriented under this circumstance and then reproduce it down in the pelvis. So you've got the quadratus lumborum, you've got the external oblique that wraps around the posterior aspect of the rib cage above the pelvis that may be concentrically oriented that's not going to let you access the load through the pelvis that you need. So you might need to reduce that. You have musculature that goes from the femur to the iliac crest that will be concentrically oriented that you might have to reduce as well before you can even roll them. Because if that maintains its orientation, you're not going to get any of the pelvic shape change that you need to recapture the internal rotation. Do you understand?

Right.

So why do they call them levers in the tradition?

Oh, yeah. All right. That is this. Put some closer together. Yeah.

Wouldn't it start turning more towards the left of them?

They're changing shape as you move. That's the one thing that you have to recognize. It's not like when you have anterior expansion, it gives you access to rotation. But as you move into that actively, then that space starts to disappear. But that's why we all have limitations in how we move. That's why when you measure somewhere in the table, there is an average amount of movement that we would make comparisons to. And then everybody has their own little idiosyncratic range of motion based on that. Zack had a really good question. He's had a number of athletes that have been showing up with an excessive or an unexpected amount of internal rotation, especially in the hip. This is typically going to show up on your narrow ISA individuals, which he has noticed as well. And we sort of break down as to why this occurs when we have somebody that's got a center of gravity that's shifted way forward where they shouldn't have any internal rotation. So it's got to come from somewhere else. So it's definitely not a hip, it's definitely not a pelvis because you have a pelvis that's behaving as a single bone under these circumstances without relative motions. And so we break this down as to how it occurs. And then I give a nice little demo at the end, which is kind of silly and cute and probably easy to understand so I'm hoping that that works out for you as well. We threw a little bit of Ian in here at the end because Ian's been working on some spinal stuff in the background of things and so again we appreciate him for his participation as well. So thank you Zack. Thank you Ian. If you would like to participate in a 15-minute consultation, please go to askbillhartman.com. Please put '15 minute consultation' in the subject line so we don't delete it. Include your question in the email. We will arrange that at our mutual convenience. Everyone have an outstanding Friday. Podcast will be up on Sunday. Have a great weekend. I'll see you next week.

Okay.

I'm very comfortable with that. Good question though. Good morning. Happy Thursday. I have neuro coffee in hand and it is perfect.

First, I just have a follow up to Max's question about the high oblique. I was just wondering when you see it a little bit too backwards. If that would be good for a narrow to bias more of that mutation in the pelvis or no end band of the issue.

How sharp of a turn do I need to make? Right? You know, like center of gravity matters, all of that.

Yeah.

I was thinking about the manual mobilization to, when I try to send a wave manually by maybe getting the calcaneus into, let's say I want to create mid-representation and give superimposed IR on top of ER. And I do the wave with the foot. So am I looking to, because if it's made, I want to have the foot directly below the pelvis and with a slight knee bend or is that just for me to decide where I want to.

All right, video's rolling. Timer started. Ryan, what is your question?

I guess I don't understand the middle range portion of it, what were you saying?

Maybe, maybe. So think about this for a sec. Okay. What's the difference between an active and a passive movement? Of course. Okay. Take your arms out in front of you. Cross them in front of you. Okay, you see the triangle right in front of you? That space? Why can't you access it? Why is there a triangular space in front of me that I cannot, like it's open. I can't get there no matter how hard I try. Why can't I do that?

Yeah. It just makes sense that this is too narrow. We have to go out a little now, trying to figure that in terms of lower body activity. Because one of the things we were successful with compared to him prior to the last eight weeks of training was that we did do a lot of front foot elevated split squat, trying to just understand that we want to shove you backward. And we did have, we started with a Jefferson setup to kind of create a turn on both sides. But looking back, probably that was too demanding.

To be able to translate into their world so it helps me.

Orienting away from it to the right.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, so I don't know if you have, you, you, you probably don't, you probably don't have kids yet, right? So little kids are notorious for just asking like an extended series of why's. It's like Robin Williams used to tell a joke about his son sitting in the back seat of the car and he say, daddy, why is the sky blue? And he said, well, because we have atmosphere. And it's like, why do we have atmosphere? It's like, well, so we can breathe. And then he say, well, daddy, why do we have to breathe? And then he would just yell at him, shut up, you little whatever. But if you think along those lines, that's what's going to drive your ability to learn. But you have to ask something that is meaningful. Like there's got to be a reason for it. So you have a client that presents a certain way, and then your first question is why do they do that? And then you would say, well, if I understand how it's happening, now maybe I can discern maybe some of the whys. And then you go, but what if they do this instead of this? And so then you ask these series of questions. If you ask a question, then your search becomes meaningful. And then you want to look at it from as many perspectives as possible. So this would be like, OK, what's the textbook say? You go to a mentor of sorts and you say, well, what do you think this means? You wanna see this thing through as many lenses and filters and perspectives as possible. And then you say, okay, well, what's the physics perspective? What's the energy production perspective of this? What is the movement-based perspective of this? The more lenses you can see through, the greater your representation of reality and the greater your level of understanding. That's how you're going to do this. But but let me caution you, it's going to take a long time.

So from a static representation on the table, you're going to see that concentric orientation.

They're going to try to create a space for sure.

Under what circumstance because you're not going to fall backwards?

You're really looking at a sphere.

Definitely.

So I have to be really careful that I avoid a late representation of external rotation. Your first goal is to move her toward an early representation of external rotation. So this is not just a spine problem; this is a system problem.

Does that make sense?

I wanted to go through the rolling that we did on Monday. And I first call.

Correct. So if I give them too much distributed external rotation, such as an early propulsive representation, if I give them too much of that, that becomes very difficult for them to control because it's a lower force-producing position. I want them in a very high force-producing position. That's why you see, when you see them performing, you see positions that look a lot like a box squat. Because that's where pressure is highest internally. That's where the concentric orientation is most magnified. That's where I literally have a pelvic outlet that is pushing upward to create as high pressure as possible so I can push into the ground and then push into my opponent. Because I have to hold this position. If I give way too much, and again, technical aspects aside, there are certain ways that they will automatically give way because it gives them a mechanical advantage. But point being is, it's like when I'm talking about the force production element of being an offensive line and it's like I have to be able to capture that and then produce the force.