Well, it's not the bottom of a squat. I mean, not the squat bottom at 90 degrees. The sticking point is what it is. This is internal rotation (IR). This is high pressure. This is a concentric anterior pelvic tilt. This is orientation into external rotation and then a compensatory strategy to drive internal rotation. They are not going to do this with your so-called normal relative motions. Because again, it's like high mobility is a detriment in this case because I need to be able to hold my positions. So when you talk about the upper extremity positions, where it looks like they're supinating,

Maximum.

Yeah. So I guess like, things that are heels elevated, right? Where you're having someone find like an early propulsive foot could be strategies that would bring someone backwards, right?

It is hard. It's very hard. Okay. So do I want to land in that representation? Now, what would be another potential consequence? So if I take away the ER position at ground contact, do you think you're going to try to find the ER representation somewhere else?

It could be a way if it's an orientation to be a way.

It is though. It is. That's the thing. It's like all of those days of frustration that you feel—that's the fun part. You got to recognize that. Otherwise you're not going to make it. It's going to drive you out and you'll be out of this in six years and you'll be selling insurance. It's all wrapped up in one.

Yeah, so you kill three birds with one stone, basically.

Yeah, because both ends early and late are external rotation. Correct. You can't get force. You have to substitute something.

Yeah. Do you think it's normal to feel lost at some point in your career?

So that's a case where you want to push back to the left. Yes. First to address the orientation of the whole thing kind of facing.

So for guys that are asking the question now, it's almost like there's a lot of what ifs, right? There's a lot of—of course, there is what ifs. It's like, okay, I'm going to drive force production, but how do I know that threshold of which it's now becoming interference, right? So I guess my question is because we talk about, and you talk a lot about key performance indicators, right? The development of key performance indicators that have objective measures in place to know how you're progressing someone over a base period of time. For someone who wants to try and develop some of those things for themselves, what does that look like for a quarterback?

I always get confused which one is which, because I've seen people that don't play those sports.

Is there anything else I can answer for you?

Yeah. How about that?

All right. I'm going to kind of move the upper body a little bit.

OK. So as it tightens, it compresses. And that's what squeezes the water out, right? So it's compressing the space. So the water has to go somewhere, can't stay in the towel, has to go outside the towel. OK. That's internal rotation. So as you twist the towel tighter and tighter, there's greater and greater compression. OK. And it's moving inward, right? Internal rotation. OK. It's becoming denser. There's less space inside of it, more space outside of it. It becomes dense, it goes down. So if I take something that is very, very dense and I put it in a pool of water, it sinks because it is more dense than the surrounding fluid, right? If I take something that is less dense, even if it weighs the same, if it takes something that's less dense and it has more surface area, it could potentially float. Right? Okay. So if I unring the towel, now I am allowing space to be created within the towel itself. And that is the expansive that is external rotation. Okay. So that's where sponge is another great example. So full sponge of water, I squeeze it out, right? I compress it. I squeeze the water out. The water has to go outside. But if I put the sponge underwater and I release it, it sucks it back in, right? So then it expands. Same rules.

Okay, so where's the impasse? Because you're obviously being successful to some measurable degree because you're seeing the difference in the before and the after. Okay, so what led you to do the things that you're doing now?

So what you mentioned, do you carry the load of being Bill Hartman every day or do you just let it go? There's no load. There's no load. All the external validation that you get, do you even care? It doesn't matter.

Okay, and then another thing. So this is something I got from going on Eric's page that I found interesting is when you release the ball, it pushes back on you. He had a very interesting drill where he would slam the ball into the ground and his front foot would contact the ground at the same time and the foot will be in an early position. So he's releasing the ball at the same time as his front foot is contacting the ground in an early position and he's saying that the ball will push back and create an early strategy, more of a yielding strategy on the left side.

You see the difference? Yeah. Right. So the lead ilium, right? Do you want that to land in late propulsion? No. So it's coming forward.

Do you think that she'll be able to execute effectively and efficiently if she is feeling the interference of pain? So from a recruitment standpoint, from a position standpoint, do you think you would have any pain avoidance behaviors if you gave her something that was painful?

I got you. 90 degrees. Yes.

Not so much, not way behind. Actually, what I was surprised to see when she stands is like, being that she's so wide, actually had a way to shift forward, kind of like most of my narrows. And she has a really flat lower back when she stands. She has a sway back. She's not kyphotic at all. She's pretty much a straight back, but her pelvis is definitely okay.

Absolutely.

But he's oriented as if he's trying to lift his heel from the ground. Okay. So what I have here is a situation where I have a lot of concentric orientation here. I'll be concentrically oriented all the way down the extremity because I'm trying to propel myself forward. I'm trying to get my center of gravity forward and my heel up. So what I have is a constant state of load on that extremity. Because the load is instantaneous, the connective tissues of the foot, the lower leg, and the pelvis are all going to be in an overcoming state. So that's a very stiff representation of connective tissues. It would be really nice if I could just reel that in, but I don't think that's the easiest way to do that with this type of a person. So what we can do is we can take him to a place where we still have concentric orientation of the same musculature, but we have a different load on the connective tissue. So we can actually reduce the rate of loading on the connective tissues by moving him all the way back to an early propulsive strategy. So when we talk about this kind of a thing, we're talking about the heels elevated element, because what that does is it takes a foot and it moves it into this early propulsive representation. So the difference between the late and the early, it looks very much the same. So if I tip up the late here, and I tip up the early, it looks very similar. But the difference is that I'm getting the elongation of connective tissues. So this is anything that is not contractile tissue, including the skeleton. So I get this resilience. Returning to the tissue just where they can expand and actually start to store energy because right now all you have is a perpetual state of load and we have to reduce that. Okay, so again we start to move him back. And again using just a simple representation of that we would use like the heels elevated squat concept. We would use, if we're doing like a split squat you've got a front foot elevated split squat, but I would do a heels elevated split squat under those circumstances because if I can bias the foot towards early, I'm going to bias the entire system towards that delay strategy on the affected side. Does that make sense?

All day, every day. Yeah, for sure. So this is where you're actually going to start to train a compensatory strategy for performance purposes. So think about it, it's like for every element of dorsal rostral expansion that I have, I just made it harder for them to assume this position. But you need to create the anterior expansion. So think about... Oh, what would be a really good representation? I think it's called like a tabletop or something like that, like in yoga, where they're sort of like in that crab walk position, but with the hips up. So you want to see the posterior aspect of the pelvis get compressed and the posterior thorax get compressed. There is your position because the only place that you can expand is anteriorly. Okay? Right? So again, any strategy that's going to promote posterior compression and anterior expansion from a performance standpoint. Remember, we're trying to achieve something that demands a compensatory strategy. This is not normal relative motion. Right? Okay? And we need to make sure that we take that into consideration and that anybody that's actually watching this understands that. That's right. It's like all of this movement that we're talking about is not necessarily related to acquiring health. We are trying to acquire a position for performance purposes.

All right. So I have two clients I train that present with what I believe to be second-layer compensations. A few weeks ago, you made a video on the ER IR field of shoulder flexion and hip flexion. And one of my clients in particular is a narrow ISA that presents with quite a bit of internal rotation and limitations in ER. And I guess my question is, is that how much does that change the field and what considerations for training her would be kind of useful and what things to watch out for because I kind of stay away from a lot of things because of this possible limitation.

Yeah. Yeah.

It was their strategy, right?

So try to take that.