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The Bill Hartman Podcast for The 16% - Season 14 - Number 2 Podcast
Bill:
SPEAKER_05 0:00–1:32
Good morning. Happy Monday. I have neuro coffee in hand and it is perfect. All right. Had a pretty good weekend. Actually revamped the office a little bit. Rewire nice things, got it kind of looking the way I want it to look. Almost, almost getting there. So I feel pretty good about things. I'm going to dig straight into today's Q&A. This is with Alex. So Alex's question pertains to some shape change concepts. And so it started with the foot. When we talk about different shape changes, we talk about pelvis, we talk about thorax and things, but can we apply the same concepts to the foot? And the reality is, yes, we can. In fact, there are already mobilizations and manipulations and such that are actually quite effective. I think that what was lacking in regards to the explanation and the reasoning in the past is that there just wasn't an effective model upon which we could base our thought processes and come up with a logical and reasonable presentation as to when these things are most effective. And I think once we do that with an effective model, then we become much more influential with our application of manual therapies. And so that's kind of the direction that we went here. We were looking at some examples as to how we would actually apply this and like in what context we would apply this for the most effective result. So thank you Alex for asking a great question that's going to help a lot of people. Everybody have an outstanding Monday and I will see you tomorrow. All right Alex, thank you for your patience.
shape changesfoot mechanicsmanual therapymobilizationsmodel-based reasoning
SPEAKER_09 1:33–1:58
Good morning. Greetings. In the same way that you can lie on the side, push on their pelvis and roll them forward and back to get AP expansion, I figured it's relatively easy if you're holding someone's foot to do something similar - just apply pressure in such a way as they move that you would get the AP expansion in the foot. I'm just not sure what it is. Perhaps you've covered this already.
AP expansionfoot mechanicsmanual therapy
SPEAKER_05 1:58–2:04
Oh, wait a minute. So hang on. So you're trying to use a foot to create AP in the pelvis?
AP expansionfoot mechanicspelvis
SPEAKER_09 2:04–2:09
No, sorry. Literally just like AP expansion in the foot with my hands.
foot mechanicsjoint mobilityanterior-posterior expansion
SPEAKER_10 2:10–2:10
Applying.
manual therapyfoot mechanicsAP expansion
SPEAKER_09 2:10–2:10
Yes.
SPEAKER_10 2:12–2:19
Yes. That's my question. I would agree.
anterior-posterior expansionpelvic mechanicspropulsive phase
SPEAKER_09 2:19–2:23
I would agree too. I just don't know what it is.
agreementuncertainty
SPEAKER_05 2:23–2:37
Okay. So where would you have this anterior posterior expansion in the pelvis at what point in a propulsive phase would you expect to have the greatest AP expansion?
pelvic mechanicsanterior-posterior expansionpropulsive phasegait analysis
SPEAKER_10 2:38–3:02
Early. So what does an early foot look like? I mean, a plantar-flexed, first ray, sort of Taylor position. Let me grab the foot. So yeah. See the groove made to put your thumb right there? You've ever done a cuboid on a foot? Same position.
foot mechanicsgait analysispropulsive phasecuboid manipulation
SPEAKER_05 3:04–3:13
So it's going to look like that, correct? All right, so I can take the foot and turn it like this so that I'm looking at the bottom of the foot.
cuboid manipulationfoot positioningcuboid position
SPEAKER_10 3:15–3:35
You see the groove? That was made to put your thumb right there. See it? You ever do a cuboid on a foot? Yeah, same position.
cuboid manipulationfoot anatomymanual therapy
SPEAKER_04 3:35–3:36
Yep, that's what it is.
cuboid manipulationfoot positioningorthopedic assessment
SPEAKER_05 3:38–3:40
It's like a cuboid position.
cuboid manipulationfoot therapymanual therapy
SPEAKER_09 3:40–3:46
So you can do the cuboid whip. Could you also, I mean, I assume you can also just apply some pressure. Tell them to breathe it out.
cuboid manipulationtherapeutic pressurebreathing technique
SPEAKER_05 3:47–3:48
Absolutely.
cuboid positionmanual therapy techniques
SPEAKER_09 3:48–3:49
Tell them to breathe it out.
respirationbreathing techniquesmanual therapy
SPEAKER_05 3:49–3:51
Yep. Absolutely. You can. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_09 3:51–3:55
You can do bias or pressure to the entire foot.
foot mechanicspressure applicationbiomechanics
SPEAKER_05 3:57–4:05
I'm trying to create a shape. So it's like, where do I have to put the pressure to create the shape that I want, right?
foot shapingpressure applicationbiomechanics
SPEAKER_09 4:06–4:09
So that, in that situation, you're like, burritoing it.
foot mechanicsshape creationbiomechanical positioning
SPEAKER_05 4:10–4:51
Yes. So you're creating an ER shape. You don't want a flattened representation of a mid-foot. You have to create the curve. You're going to close those spaces in. You have an axis of rotation in the fifth ray and an axis of rotation in the first ray. Then you're going to close that space together. The thumb fits in there. Then it's just a matter of being coherent with extremity position to allow the ER shape.
foot mechanicsmid-foot archER shapeaxis of rotation
SPEAKER_09 4:53–5:05
So I mean, what I potentially get a greater benefit if I'm just trying to create like the AP expansion of getting them to like lie on that same side hip on their side, just like literally have them be in that position.
AP expansionhip positionpositional therapy
SPEAKER_10 5:06–5:18
To get the AP? Yes. Potentially, yes. Or could I hold that foot position and, like, tug on their leg and guide them into a roll?
foot positionap expansionmanual guidance
SPEAKER_09 5:20–5:21
Would that be of any benefit?
manual therapyorthopedic assessmentfoot positioning
SPEAKER_05 5:22–5:25
You had me at tug on that leg, actually.
manual therapyleg tractionclinical strategy
SPEAKER_09 5:25–5:25
Stop there?
manual therapy techniquesleg pulling strategyclinical application
SPEAKER_05 5:26–6:04
Well, I didn't say stop there, but you had me there because that's actually one of the all-time great strategies that is underappreciated. If you do it on the correct leg at the correct time. Okay, that's the question. Did they teach you how to pull on somebody's leg in school? You cut out for a second. I missed the great answer. I'm going to restate the question. They taught you how to pull on somebody's leg?
leg pulling techniquetiming in treatmentunderappreciated strategiesclinical education
SPEAKER_09 6:04–6:05
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 6:05–6:12
When did they say to do it? What's the presentation? What's the presentation with that technique is successful?
clinical reasoningtreatment technique applicationdiagnostic presentation