If this is like the middle of middle propulsion and this is like my highest force and this is maximum IR and I go out here, that's more relative motion. It's just not full relative motion.

I had a couple of more questions on rolling activities. One variation that I saw you perform, I don't remember which really it was, but you had the hip and the shoulder at 90 degrees. And the person was rolling like as one unit. So basically they were rolling in middle propulsion.

Yeah.

Now to me, that seems that you're just locking everything in and there is no point in rolling in that position.

There's no point.

Because everything is locked in. So you're not getting any relative motion.

What if I don't want relative motion?

That makes sense. So that's just teaching somebody how to move in middle propulsion.

Is there a point in time in a role where I would want that middle P expressed?

Yes.

Yeah. Probably so. So if I'm working, think about.

Why do you want them to move? So why not just hold a position? Why do you want them to move in that position? Why not just hold it statically?

If I am training someone and the foundation of their program is working in middle propulsive activities, I might need an activity that meets that coherence of the program. And so I'm trying to teach them to hold the middle propulsive representation. So if you did an arm bar with a very heavy kettlebell, do you think you're getting full relative motions? Then why would you ever use a heavy kettlebell for an armbar? Because I want to teach you to hang on to a middle propulsive representation. So if I'm training force production and I want you to be able to lead into a middle propulsive representation and come out of a middle propulsive representation, but I also want to produce high forces, I still need that representation. So it's still as useful. The whole world is not dependent on you having relative motion. I still have situations where I need to train that middle propulsive representation. I need to capture the IR positions and I need to teach you how to maintain that.

Okay.

So it just comes down to needs and then strategies. It's like, what am I trying to achieve?

Right. And then in that exercise, so if you're rolling with this 1990 position, would there be still obviously a little bit of movement?

There has to be a little bit, otherwise you'd be stuck. But the idea is, if this is like the middle of middle propulsion, and this is like my highest force, and this is maximum IR, and I go out here, that's more relative motion. It's just not full relative motion.

So for people who are really stuck in middle propulsion, that exercise could be as far as recapturing relative motion. You could potentially use that exercise to kind of take them out of that view.

So for people who are very compressed anterior to posterior, they don't have any space. I can put them in their middle representation and offset their feet just enough to create a little bit of relative motion. Then I start moving them there and it becomes a bigger motion.

Okay and then so another question if you're having so a lot of these rolling activities you're not going to have your foot on the wall but potentially you could have one foot on like if you're in sideline and you've talked about this before you can have one foot on the wall.

Yes sir.

For example, the down leg and then you're just using the right leg to move back and forth.

Yeah, like a stepping foot.

Like a stepping foot. And in that situation, you would probably want to see the pelvis also kind of roll back and forth.

For sure. Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's the same thing that we're kind of talking about here. It's like, so by fixing that foot to the wall, you're kind of sticking in towards a middle representation. And then I move you back into a late representation and an early representation back and forth by doing the stepping activity. So just stepping forward and back on sideline.

Okay, and that's the same thing. Somebody's stuck in middle of propulsion. You just put them there and you start with smaller movements and over time.

All we're talking about is that early rolling strategy that we were talking about before in the early part of the call, where you put them on their side. Like I think it was Zach's question where we were talking about the rolling activity and such. You put them on their side and you start to do the smaller arc of rolling back and forth. That would be kind of the same thing that you're talking about. So if you're not a manual person, you can use that activity as your starter activity to initiate the rolling activity.

Thank you.